[Frage] TomTom Kartenupdate im Smart Fortwo (453) möglich?

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[Frage] TomTom Kartenupdate im Smart Fortwo (453) möglich?

#1 » Beitragvon wjavixxassuj01 » Fr Jan 19, 2018 9:09 pm

mir macht TomTom aktuell ein bisschen Kopfschmerzen. In meinem Smart Fortwo 453 ist Serienmäßig die TomTom Navigation integriert. Ich möchte gerne die Karten auf die aktuellste Version updaten.

Vorgehensweise:
Mit dem R-Link Explorer kann ich die Daten mounten (Tomtom.000 - .003). Im Laufwerk sehe ich nach einigen Klicks den Ordner "Europa" und kann dort die Karten gegen andere Tauschen.
Wenn ich anschließend die SD-Karte in den Slot im Fahrzeug einstecke, versucht das Media System die Karten zu laden und bricht anschließend mit einer Fehlermeldung ab.
Ich vermute, dass ich die Karten wegen fehlender Aktivierung nicht nutzen kann.
Das Problem ist aber, dass ich Dateien wie "ttgo.bif", "ttnavigator.bif", "ttsystem" oder "PNDNavigator" nicht habe, sodass ich die Aktivierungsprogramme "Easyusetool", "FastActivator" oder "Alberts EasyActivator" nicht nutzen kann.
Ich habe blöderweise auch keine DeviceID, mit der ich die meta.dct erzeugen könnte.

Weitere Details:
Gerät: Smart Media System
Navcoreversion: unbekannt
Bootloader: unbekannt
Karte: Europa v960.7089
Wo installiert: SD-Karte
Problem: "Problem mit der Karte. Sie können diese Karte nicht auf diesem Gerät nutzen"

Gibt es hierfür in irgendeiner Form eine Lösung? Ich bin gerne bereit auch bisschen zu basteln und zu experimentieren. Das Internet gibt leider nicht viele Informationen zu dem Thema her.

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[Frage] Re: TomTom Kartenupdate im Smart Fortwo (453) möglich?

#2 » Beitragvon Giovanni » Fr Jan 19, 2018 9:40 pm

Über R-Link (wurde und wird überwiegend von Renault verbaut) ist in der deutschen Navi-Szene relativ wenig bekannt. Allerdings ist bei R-Link eine gewisse Ähnlichkeit oder sogar eine Art Verwandtschaft zu Carminat erkennbar. Warum es überhaupt zwei verschiedene Schienen geben muß, ist ein Rätsel. Irgendwo muß es auch unter R-Link eine DeviceID geben, evtl. versteckt, evtl. nur in gehashter Form. Mußt du dich unter Einbeziehung versteckter Bereiche (Partitionen, Ordner, Dateien) mal intensiv auf die Suche machen. Nicht aktivierte Karten sind grundsätzlich nicht nutzbar, egal auf welchem TT-System.
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[Frage] Re: TomTom Kartenupdate im Smart Fortwo (453) möglich?

#3 » Beitragvon wjavixxassuj01 » Fr Jan 19, 2018 10:07 pm

Ja, der aktuelle Smart 453 wird in Kooperation mit Renault gebaut. Das Media System ähnelt auch dem der im Renault Clio verbaut ist.

"Irgendwo muß es auch unter R-Link eine DeviceID geben, evtl. versteckt, evtl. nur in gehashter Form."
Das gibt es mit Sicherheit irgendwo. Nur auf der SD-Karte ist nicht das eigentliche TomTom installiert. Auf der SD-Karte findet man nur Karten, Voices, POIs etc. Es sind auf der SD-Karte auch keine weiteren Partitionen oder versteckte Dateien vorhanden (habe die Karte schon zig mal formatiert).
Hier nochmal zwei Bilder vom Verzeichnis und der Fehlermeldung.

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"Nicht aktivierte Karten sind grundsätzlich nicht nutzbar, egal auf welchem TT-System."
Das ist mir bewusst und deshalb bin ich auf der Suche nach einem Weg die TT-Karten irgendwie über eine meta.dct zu aktivieren.
Ich habe auch eine funktionierende meta.dct, kann sie aber nicht öffnen um den Inhalt zu sehen. Eventuell würde ich dort irgendwelche Informationen finden.

"Über R-Link (wurde und wird überwiegend von Renault verbaut) ist in der deutschen Navi-Szene relativ wenig bekannt"
Wie sieht es den aus, wenn ich in das Englische Navitel Forum diese Frage poste oder kennst du eine andere Anlaufstelle?

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[Frage] Re: TomTom Kartenupdate im Smart Fortwo (453) möglich?

#4 » Beitragvon Giovanni » Fr Jan 19, 2018 10:33 pm

wjavixxassuj01 hat geschrieben:habe die Karte schon zig mal formatiert

Das solltest du im eigenen Interesse besser lassen (Um diesen versteckten Text lesen zu können, mußt du registriert und angemeldet sein)!

Das .dct-File bringt dich nicht weiter, weil es verschlüsselt abgelegt und nicht so ohne weiteres auslesbar ist.
In dem MD5-File "7ME0..." könnte die DeviceID in gehashter Form verborgen sein.

wjavixxassuj01 hat geschrieben:Wie sieht es den aus, wenn ich in das Englische Navitel Forum diese Frage poste oder kennst du eine andere Anlaufstelle?

Dieses Forum kenne ich nicht.
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[Frage] Re: TomTom Kartenupdate im Smart Fortwo (453) möglich?

#5 » Beitragvon wjavixxassuj01 » Fr Jan 19, 2018 10:39 pm

Das solltest du im eigenen Interesse besser lassen (Warum man Flashspeicher nicht formatieren sollte)!

Das ist schon richtig. Nur hatte ich mir die Karte einige male beim experimentieren zerschossen, sodass diese weder vom PC noch von TomTom MyDrive Connect erkannt wurde. Mir blieb nichts anderes übrig. Bisher habe ich aber keine Schwierigkeiten gehabt :clap:

as .dct-File bringt dich nicht weiter, weil es verschlüsselt abgelegt und nicht so ohne weiteres auslesbar ist.

Das habe ich gemerkt. Auch eine Google Suche, ob das Lesen oder Entschlüsseln über irgendwelche Umwege möglich ist, hat nichts ergeben.

In dem MD5-File "7ME0..." könnte die DeviceID in gehashter Form verborgen sein.

In der Datei sind die Hash-Werte für die einzelnen Dateien vorhanden, die standardmäßig auf der SD-Karte sind. Da ist vermutlich keine DeviceID versteckt.
Ich pack den Inhalt mal in den Spoiler, falls jemand Interesse hat reinzuschauen.

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[Frage] Re: TomTom Kartenupdate im Smart Fortwo (453) möglich?

#6 » Beitragvon Giovanni » Fr Jan 19, 2018 10:48 pm

Wenn du nur per MyDrive auf das System zugreifen kannst, dann sieht es schlecht aus.
Das würde nämlich heißen, dass es der Neuen Generation (NC 10.xxx und höher) entspricht und nach außen abgeschottet ist.
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[Frage] Re: TomTom Kartenupdate im Smart Fortwo (453) möglich?

#7 » Beitragvon wjavixxassuj01 » Fr Jan 19, 2018 10:51 pm

Wenn du nur per MyDrive auf das System zugreifen kannst, dann sieht es schlecht aus.

Das habe ich auch irgendwo mal gelesen. TomTom Home funktioniert nicht. Die SD-Karte wird nur in TT MDC als Smart Media System erkannt und zusätzlich kann ich das ganze im R-Link öffnen.
Ich finde auch keine Angaben zur Navcore oder ähnlichem. Wie kann ich das Prüfen? Mein Fahrzeug its BJ 08/2015.

Neuen Generation (NC 10.xxx und höher) entspricht und nach außen abgeschottet ist.

Wäre natürlich schade, weil das aktuelle Update würde mich 50-70€ kosten. Da kann ich auch gleich mein iPhone zur Navigation in der Stadt nutzen :7:

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Dort heißt es
The above models and all other/upcoming models based on Navcore 10.xxx/11.xxx/12.XXX use a modified Linux filesystem, which can not be accessed by the user other than using the "MyDrive" application for PC/Mac.


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Ab NC10 aufwärts kann man nichts mehr selber machen, sondern nur noch bei TT shoppen gehen. Das wird sich auch nicht mehr ändern, denn alle "Cracks" haben sich von diesem Projekt verabschiedet. TT ist anscheinend unknackbar geworden.


Ist natürlich ein großer Rückschlag. Dann werde ich wohl mit den alten Karten vorerst leben müssen :-)

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[Frage] Re: TomTom Kartenupdate im Smart Fortwo (453) möglich?

#8 » Beitragvon Giovanni » Fr Jan 19, 2018 11:30 pm

wjavixxassuj01 hat geschrieben:Wäre natürlich schade, weil das aktuelle Update würde mich 50-70€ kosten.

Ja. Und das ist sogar noch relativ günstig. Renault hat in der Vergangenheit für R-Link pro Kartenupdate rund 130,- € kassiert.

wjavixxassuj01 hat geschrieben:Da kann ich auch gleich mein iPhone zur Navigation in der Stadt nutzen.

Da hast du leider genau die zwei Systeme gewählt, die sich nicht, um es lieb zu formulieren, "individuell" anpassen lassen.
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wjavixxassuj01 hat geschrieben:TomTom Home funktioniert nicht. Die SD-Karte wird nur in TT MDC als Smart Media System erkannt und zusätzlich kann ich das ganze im R-Link öffnen.

Das habe ich mir schon gedacht. Der R-Link Explorer verwendet dieselbe Entschlüsselungsmethode wie MyDrive. Für dich heißt das leider: Keine Chance. :(

wjavixxassuj01 hat geschrieben:Ich finde auch keine Angaben zur Navcore oder ähnlichem. Wie kann ich das Prüfen? Mein Fahrzeug ist BJ 08/2015.

Wie gesagt ... leider keine Chance. :(
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[Frage] Re: TomTom Kartenupdate im Smart Fortwo (453) möglich?

#9 » Beitragvon wjavixxassuj01 » Sa Jan 20, 2018 12:03 am

Ja. Und das ist sogar noch relativ günstig. Renault hat in der Vergangenheit für R-Link pro Kartenupdate rund 130,- € kassiert.

Trotzdem finde ich es dreist in Zeiten von Internet, Smartphone und Google bzw. Apple Maps solche Preise für ein System zu nehmen, dass der Kunde sich nicht ausgesucht hat.

Da hast du leider genau die zwei Systeme gewählt, die sich nicht, um es lieb zu formulieren, "individuell" anpassen lassen.

Ich bin eh mehr Fan von Navigon und Google Maps. Deswegen würde ich jetzt nicht unbedingt das Smartphone wechseln. Für die paar mal Navigation das ich in der Stadt brauche reichen auch die alten Karten aus :-)
Wäre nur schön gewesen hätte man es irgendwie Cracken können.

Wie gesagt ... leider keine Chance. :(

Jo, dem ist wohl so. Eventuell ist in Zukunft ein Umbau des gesamten Radios auf Alpine oder sowas in Betracht zu ziehen, damit man Carplay oder Android Auto nutzen kann.
Vielen Dank für die Unterstützung.

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[Frage] Re: TomTom Kartenupdate im Smart Fortwo (453) möglich?

#10 » Beitragvon Giovanni » Sa Jan 20, 2018 1:50 am

Leider hat TT mit seinen Neuen Generationen - sehr zum Leidwesen vieler Bastler - einen knallharten und bislang unknackbaren Systemschutz entwickeln können. Das hat natürlich für TT - wenig verwunderlich - auch automatisch zur Folge, dass dieser Geschäftsbereich mehr und mehr in die Bedeutungslosigkeit abtrifftet. Die Zeiten des Navi-Booms der 2000er sind definitiv vorbei. Das muß sich sicherlich auch TT eingestehen.

Was dich betrifft, wäre der Wechsel auf ein In-Car-Android-System selbstverständlich die Ideallösung. Da bist du wieder in jede Richtung flexibel und kannst wahlweise auch mehrere verschiedene Navi-Anwendungen parallel einsetzen.

PS: Ich würde das TT-Kartenupdate auch nicht kaufen.
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